Best Keels/Rudders - SeaKnots2024-03-28T09:13:44Zhttp://seaknots.ning.com/forum/topics/best-keelsrudders?commentId=900123%3AComment%3A43416&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPreahadit Bill, Will be down…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-23:900123:Comment:546422009-01-23T17:02:06.118Z___/)ances With Sailshttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/danceswithsails
Preahadit Bill, Will be down where this boat is in a week or so to see,,,,I know its full keel (told w/ swing), tiller(prob. a spade, and im not familiar w/ anywhere I'll be trekin'). Will ponder this.<br />
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Louis<br />
s/v Perkins Hill
Preahadit Bill, Will be down where this boat is in a week or so to see,,,,I know its full keel (told w/ swing), tiller(prob. a spade, and im not familiar w/ anywhere I'll be trekin'). Will ponder this.<br />
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Louis<br />
s/v Perkins Hill I looked at a couple on yacht…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-23:900123:Comment:546162009-01-23T15:17:25.814ZVerandahttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/Veranda
I looked at a couple on yachtworld. I saw 3 different keel configurations. A 4 footer, a five and a half and a 6 footer. I didn't see any "swing keels". I can't really recall seeing a swing keel on a boat of that size and if they do come in that configuration I wouldn't consider it.<br />
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If on the other hand you're talking about a boat with a centerboard I don't think a centerboard would be a problem. If I could lose a foot of draft in exchange for a centerboard I'd do it in a heart beat. When you…
I looked at a couple on yachtworld. I saw 3 different keel configurations. A 4 footer, a five and a half and a 6 footer. I didn't see any "swing keels". I can't really recall seeing a swing keel on a boat of that size and if they do come in that configuration I wouldn't consider it.<br />
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If on the other hand you're talking about a boat with a centerboard I don't think a centerboard would be a problem. If I could lose a foot of draft in exchange for a centerboard I'd do it in a heart beat. When you pull it to paint it every year just pay attention to the pennant and sheaves. I've replaced a few pennants on different boats and its a simple matter if you do it "before" the pennant fails. Stay on top of it and it shouldn't be a problem.<br />
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The line drawing of the hull that I saw showed a spade rudder. I know that there's a lot of spade rudders out there. I just wouldn't have one if you're going to be cruising in a lot of places that you've not familiar with.<br />
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Bill<br />
s/v Veranda Checkin out an Irwin 31, not…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-22:900123:Comment:545532009-01-22T22:34:07.050Z___/)ances With Sailshttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/danceswithsails
Checkin out an Irwin 31, not sure of the year yet, caught wind of it today...I know it's not to be compared with the fixed keels of sorts, but is the swing keel on this boat going to be a real bitch in the long run. I savvy preventative maintenance and am 9 out of 10 times on it....should I keep lookin, even if this boat is sittin with a very nice price, and new diesel! My intended cruising will be that of destination sailing within coastals.
Checkin out an Irwin 31, not sure of the year yet, caught wind of it today...I know it's not to be compared with the fixed keels of sorts, but is the swing keel on this boat going to be a real bitch in the long run. I savvy preventative maintenance and am 9 out of 10 times on it....should I keep lookin, even if this boat is sittin with a very nice price, and new diesel! My intended cruising will be that of destination sailing within coastals. We just hauled a friend of mi…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-20:900123:Comment:542132009-01-20T16:51:34.790ZCommodoreSwabhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/CommodoreSwab
We just hauled a friend of mines 34 Morgan (centerboard) which hasn't been hauled in 7 years. He regularly would dive and scrape the stuff off. There really wasnt much buildup and his board works just fine and dandy. It is a smaller board and fiberglass which will make a difference when it comes to weight and hardward raising and lowering it.
We just hauled a friend of mines 34 Morgan (centerboard) which hasn't been hauled in 7 years. He regularly would dive and scrape the stuff off. There really wasnt much buildup and his board works just fine and dandy. It is a smaller board and fiberglass which will make a difference when it comes to weight and hardward raising and lowering it. There is an world of people w…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-20:900123:Comment:541642009-01-20T14:46:29.115ZJohn Shasteenhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/JohnShasteen
There is an world of people who love center boards and just as many people who hate them. They definitely give you more draw when down, but if you sail in the tropics or subtropics (like the Gulf Coast) where your boat doesn't come out of the water more often than every two or three years, maintenance of the board, pennant, pulleys, etc becomes a real problem. Barnacles can reek havoc with centerboard.
There is an world of people who love center boards and just as many people who hate them. They definitely give you more draw when down, but if you sail in the tropics or subtropics (like the Gulf Coast) where your boat doesn't come out of the water more often than every two or three years, maintenance of the board, pennant, pulleys, etc becomes a real problem. Barnacles can reek havoc with centerboard. Am I opening another large ca…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-20:900123:Comment:541402009-01-20T13:29:39.296ZCommodoreSwabhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/CommodoreSwab
Am I opening another large can or worms here, probably . . .<br />
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What about centerboards?<br />
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Am I opening another large can or worms here, probably . . .<br />
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What about centerboards?<br />
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<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://www.corvettesailboatassociation.com/images/corvette31_1.gif"/></p> I'll differ from the crowd. T…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-09:900123:Comment:522112009-01-09T19:49:42.001ZDave Skolnickhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/DaveSkolnick
I'll differ from the crowd. There are several elements of the hull more important than keel configuration, including prismatic coefficient and hull sections fore and aft.<br />
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Many of current production and semi-production boats considered serious bluewater boats are not full-keel designs, including Hallberg-Rassy, Najad, Malo, and Moody. If you consider the designs of Steve Dashew and Frers you won't see much in the way of full keels. I crossed the North Sea and the Atlantic on my HR40. For most…
I'll differ from the crowd. There are several elements of the hull more important than keel configuration, including prismatic coefficient and hull sections fore and aft.<br />
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Many of current production and semi-production boats considered serious bluewater boats are not full-keel designs, including Hallberg-Rassy, Najad, Malo, and Moody. If you consider the designs of Steve Dashew and Frers you won't see much in the way of full keels. I crossed the North Sea and the Atlantic on my HR40. For most of the trip the v-berth, historically considered untenable at sea, was quite satisfactory. With some sail trim and auto-pilot tuning the boat sailed well with minimal power consumption by the a/p.<br />
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I'm a pretty conservative engineer and I understand why folks embrace older proven designs. Modified fins with bulbs and semi-balanced partial skeg rudders are not new any more and have proven themselves on oceans in all kinds of weather.<br />
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I've enjoyed the full keel boats I've sailed but I'm very happy to have a more agile boat. I have much better maneuverability in tight quarters and do not believe I've lost anything offshore. Been there, done that, used the t-shirt to mop the windscreen clear.<br />
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My educated opinion, YMMV.<br />
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sail fast and eat well, dave<br />
S/V Auspicious<br />
22000lb, 40' cutter-rigged sloop. I like our Cape Dory 36 (Ar…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-04:900123:Comment:499372009-01-04T15:54:18.412ZDavid VanDenburghhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/DavidVanDenburgh
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I like our Cape Dory 36 (Ariel) - a modified full keel with a cutaway forefoot. She does everything pretty well except backing under power, then she does whatever she decides to do for that day.<br />
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The attached rudder is rugged. The long keel tracks well. The hull is very seakindly. She points reasonably well, maneuvers pretty well (doesn't turn on a dime like a fin keel).<br />
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A lot of this is a function of the hull shape and not just the…
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I like our Cape Dory 36 (Ariel) - a modified full keel with a cutaway forefoot. She does everything pretty well except backing under power, then she does whatever she decides to do for that day.<br />
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The attached rudder is rugged. The long keel tracks well. The hull is very seakindly. She points reasonably well, maneuvers pretty well (doesn't turn on a dime like a fin keel).<br />
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A lot of this is a function of the hull shape and not just the keel. Thanks a hell of a lot for th…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2009-01-02:900123:Comment:489402009-01-02T03:27:39.637Z___/)ances With Sailshttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/danceswithsails
Thanks a hell of a lot for this John. Iam considering for a newbies life in cruising. i want to stay close while I dry out behind the ears. This confirms the convincible that Im on the right track in thoughts. Cutaway it'll be!<br />
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Of course you'll have to come in closer in order for me to buy ye a round!<br />
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Cheers, happy new year,<br />
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Thanks a hell of a lot for this John. Iam considering for a newbies life in cruising. i want to stay close while I dry out behind the ears. This confirms the convincible that Im on the right track in thoughts. Cutaway it'll be!<br />
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Of course you'll have to come in closer in order for me to buy ye a round!<br />
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Cheers, happy new year,<br />
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___/) Good article, thanks. The art…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2008-11-16:900123:Comment:434232008-11-16T02:19:50.289ZJohn Shasteenhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/JohnShasteen
Good article, thanks. The article stresses the points I considered when buying Paloma many years ago, because I bought her to sail in the Regata de Amigos (Galveston to Vera Cruz, 650 miles each way), Galveston to Isla Mujeras, criss-cross the Gulf and in all manner of offshore sailing - abuse her. Her thick hull, deck attached to the hull with nuts and bolts every three inches, encapsulated lead keel with cutaway forefoot, skeg hung rudder, keel stepped mast and heavy rigging was just what I…
Good article, thanks. The article stresses the points I considered when buying Paloma many years ago, because I bought her to sail in the Regata de Amigos (Galveston to Vera Cruz, 650 miles each way), Galveston to Isla Mujeras, criss-cross the Gulf and in all manner of offshore sailing - abuse her. Her thick hull, deck attached to the hull with nuts and bolts every three inches, encapsulated lead keel with cutaway forefoot, skeg hung rudder, keel stepped mast and heavy rigging was just what I was looking for and she's endured two Force 10 storms, and been left on her own to ride out nearly every named storm (Alica, Claudette, Katrina and many others) to hit the Texas Gulf Coast in the last 29 years - I have never second-guessed my decision that the little Brisol 29.9 was the boat for me..