Anchor upgrade - SeaKnots2024-03-28T17:44:11Zhttp://seaknots.ning.com/forum/topics/anchor-upgrade-1?groupUrl=beneteau4043&commentId=900123%3AComment%3A226692&groupId=900123%3AGroup%3A49521&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNot sure of you've done anyth…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2018-01-11:900123:Comment:2297072018-01-11T23:36:06.815ZMike Brownhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/MikeBrown
<p>Not sure of you've done anything yet as this post appears to be from July 2017. If you're still interested yes there are links that are used to connect two different lengths of chain. West Marine and others sell them. After connecting the two halves through the chain links you peen pins to ensure it stays together. The down side is their breaking strengths which are usually much less than chain. It becomes your weak link in your ground tackle. Not a problem in normal conditions but when the…</p>
<p>Not sure of you've done anything yet as this post appears to be from July 2017. If you're still interested yes there are links that are used to connect two different lengths of chain. West Marine and others sell them. After connecting the two halves through the chain links you peen pins to ensure it stays together. The down side is their breaking strengths which are usually much less than chain. It becomes your weak link in your ground tackle. Not a problem in normal conditions but when the wind picks up you'll be wondering if it'll hold. Not a good feeling. Do a web search on them and decide for yourself.</p>
<p>Mike</p> on third year cruising the Ba…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2018-01-10:900123:Comment:2296022018-01-10T15:17:04.950ZMike Wilsonhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/MikeWilson
<p>on third year cruising the Bahamas. Upgraded to 55 pound rocna with 225 ft of chain and 125 ft of braided rope. our original plans were to get the the BVIs and thought we might be anchoring in 35 to 40 ft of water. Not sure I want to put our boat thru the wave action to get there. We like the Bahamas. I went with 5/16" HT chain and had to change the windlass. Found one on eBay new for 1/3 of the dealer price. Our original ~30ft of 3/8" chain and 150 ft of 3 strand is coiled into a…</p>
<p>on third year cruising the Bahamas. Upgraded to 55 pound rocna with 225 ft of chain and 125 ft of braided rope. our original plans were to get the the BVIs and thought we might be anchoring in 35 to 40 ft of water. Not sure I want to put our boat thru the wave action to get there. We like the Bahamas. I went with 5/16" HT chain and had to change the windlass. Found one on eBay new for 1/3 of the dealer price. Our original ~30ft of 3/8" chain and 150 ft of 3 strand is coiled into a bucket in the aft laz. Chain on top. I have a medium size Fortress suspended from the stern pulpit using a slide bracket with the adapter for the fortress palm. I can get shakle attached to anchor and deployed in about a minute. Have had to twice in 6 years of ownership of MiJoy.</p>
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<p>There are times when the anchorage has a few inches of sand over rock and the anchor is not really set. If plenty of sand, the rocna buries up to the ring. Held in well over 50 knots of wind at Big Majors one night.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
<p>S/V MiJoy</p> Peter, I've also lost the scu…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-08-17:900123:Comment:2272282017-08-17T00:55:13.576ZMike Brownhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/MikeBrown
Peter, I've also lost the scupper covers. I installed rubber pipe insulation over each side of the bridle and it works well in keeping the bridle from rubbing on the covers. . They'll need to be replaced periodically as they'll get pretty funky after some time.<br />
Mike<br />
October Moon
Peter, I've also lost the scupper covers. I installed rubber pipe insulation over each side of the bridle and it works well in keeping the bridle from rubbing on the covers. . They'll need to be replaced periodically as they'll get pretty funky after some time.<br />
Mike<br />
October Moon Yep, I too have snapped a cou…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-08-16:900123:Comment:2272252017-08-16T18:31:13.637Zsamhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/sam41
<p>Yep, I too have snapped a couple of the clam shell drain covers off. I have a couple of spares, but may or may not replace this time. The slack didn't seem to be the ultimate cause. Seems that wind/tide shifts and wake surge would cause the movement as well.</p>
<p>I chalk it up to "Stuff happens"</p>
<p>Hope all is well in your area.</p>
<p>Sam.</p>
<p>Yep, I too have snapped a couple of the clam shell drain covers off. I have a couple of spares, but may or may not replace this time. The slack didn't seem to be the ultimate cause. Seems that wind/tide shifts and wake surge would cause the movement as well.</p>
<p>I chalk it up to "Stuff happens"</p>
<p>Hope all is well in your area.</p>
<p>Sam.</p> Sam, we are the essentially t…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-08-16:900123:Comment:2271462017-08-16T16:42:54.510ZPeter Obetzhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/PeterObetz
<p>Sam, we are the essentially the same. Using the same mantus bridle as you. Quick question to you and any others using a bridle. We had the bridle rubbing the sides of the bow in a recent storm and it ended up snapping off the plastic clam covers of the anchor drains. Do you get this? Wondering if I had too much slack in the chain and thus too much downward pull toward the bow? Any tips appreciated. I just bought replacement covers but actually wondering if I will install them.</p>
<p>Sam, we are the essentially the same. Using the same mantus bridle as you. Quick question to you and any others using a bridle. We had the bridle rubbing the sides of the bow in a recent storm and it ended up snapping off the plastic clam covers of the anchor drains. Do you get this? Wondering if I had too much slack in the chain and thus too much downward pull toward the bow? Any tips appreciated. I just bought replacement covers but actually wondering if I will install them.</p> On Longhawk we use a Rocna 20…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-08-16:900123:Comment:2269472017-08-16T16:32:55.163Zsamhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/sam41
<p>On Longhawk we use a Rocna 20KG. I changed out the chain gypsy when new to one that handles 5/16 high Test chain. Then I went with 175 ft of 5/16 HT chain tailed with 200 ft of three strand.(overkill, but I had the rode as supplied new).</p>
<p>For a short stay (lunch or very caml anchorage conditions expected ) I use a single chain hook on a 1/2 inch three strand nylon line, routed over the bow roller with the chain. I then have a snatch block that I attach over the snubber line (where it…</p>
<p>On Longhawk we use a Rocna 20KG. I changed out the chain gypsy when new to one that handles 5/16 high Test chain. Then I went with 175 ft of 5/16 HT chain tailed with 200 ft of three strand.(overkill, but I had the rode as supplied new).</p>
<p>For a short stay (lunch or very caml anchorage conditions expected ) I use a single chain hook on a 1/2 inch three strand nylon line, routed over the bow roller with the chain. I then have a snatch block that I attach over the snubber line (where it runs over the anchor locker) and attach it to the opposite cleat form the side the snubber cleat line is attached and pull the snubber line so it is centered over the foredeck. Simple and quick.</p>
<p>For a lengthier stay or when conditions are heavier I use a bridle. The bridle connects to the chain by a mantus anchor bridle plate.</p> I use a bridle set up for a s…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-07-19:900123:Comment:2264972017-07-19T03:25:58.868ZMike Brownhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/MikeBrown
<p>I use a bridle set up for a snubber which works well. We do swing at anchor and either side of the bridle takes the load. Lots of options and opinions out there. Pick the one you feel comfortable with and use it every time you anchor.</p>
<p>BTW once anchored I turn on Tracks on the chart plotter. I leave it on for 20 mins or so based on conditions. Longer in bad weather, shorter in benign conditions. I watch it etch a sketch a semi circle as we swing about the anchor. As long as there…</p>
<p>I use a bridle set up for a snubber which works well. We do swing at anchor and either side of the bridle takes the load. Lots of options and opinions out there. Pick the one you feel comfortable with and use it every time you anchor.</p>
<p>BTW once anchored I turn on Tracks on the chart plotter. I leave it on for 20 mins or so based on conditions. Longer in bad weather, shorter in benign conditions. I watch it etch a sketch a semi circle as we swing about the anchor. As long as there aren't any long lines extending out of the semi circle I know we haven't drug. At that point I shut off the plotter but do random range checks. So far so good.</p>
<p>Mike</p> We carry 100ft 3/8 ht chain s…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-07-17:900123:Comment:2267962017-07-17T20:30:52.054ZJames Taylorhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/JamesTaylor
<p>We carry 100ft 3/8 ht chain spliced to 150ft of rode with original 45lb Delta quickset anchor and snubber . Have not drug since installing chain. In my humble opinion, proper scope is as important as ground tackle. Addition of height, from deck to water, in determining scope is equally important.</p>
<p>We considered 200ft of chain. Additional weight in bow (200lb vs 100lb) was a significant factor we considered, also, planned travel destinations. We've anchored from Bahama's to…</p>
<p>We carry 100ft 3/8 ht chain spliced to 150ft of rode with original 45lb Delta quickset anchor and snubber . Have not drug since installing chain. In my humble opinion, proper scope is as important as ground tackle. Addition of height, from deck to water, in determining scope is equally important.</p>
<p>We considered 200ft of chain. Additional weight in bow (200lb vs 100lb) was a significant factor we considered, also, planned travel destinations. We've anchored from Bahama's to Massachusetts in many disturbing weather situations without incident using this ground tackle equipment setup.</p> Peter, thank you for your inp…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-07-14:900123:Comment:2264872017-07-14T14:58:58.617ZWaynehttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/Wayne
<p>Peter, thank you for your input. </p>
<p>Last night I ordered the 55lb Rocna and 200' of 3/8"HT chain for peace of mind. (I hope that's 3/8"chain on my 40's windlass) So, there will be no weak links in the system. Now I will need to educate myself about snubbers and bridles.</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
<p>Peter, thank you for your input. </p>
<p>Last night I ordered the 55lb Rocna and 200' of 3/8"HT chain for peace of mind. (I hope that's 3/8"chain on my 40's windlass) So, there will be no weak links in the system. Now I will need to educate myself about snubbers and bridles.</p>
<p>Wayne</p> I went thru this same thought…tag:seaknots.ning.com,2017-07-14:900123:Comment:2266932017-07-14T13:47:59.601ZPeter Obetzhttp://seaknots.ning.com/profile/PeterObetz
<p>I went thru this same thought process about a year ago. After quite a bit of research I decided on the peace of mind of not introducing a "weak" link into the system. Some people advocate taking the the coupling link to a welding shop and having it secured that way. In the end, that seemed like more hassle of getting off the boat, to a shop and back, than just getting new chain and rode. </p>
<p>Originally we had 30 ft. of chain and 100 of rope, for the west coast of FL that is enough…</p>
<p>I went thru this same thought process about a year ago. After quite a bit of research I decided on the peace of mind of not introducing a "weak" link into the system. Some people advocate taking the the coupling link to a welding shop and having it secured that way. In the end, that seemed like more hassle of getting off the boat, to a shop and back, than just getting new chain and rode. </p>
<p>Originally we had 30 ft. of chain and 100 of rope, for the west coast of FL that is enough length but we had the rope section nearly chafe thru when pinned in by a couple of days of 40kt winds down in Cayo Costa. On inspection 2 of the 3 strands were nearly sawn thru. That made me a believer and we switched to 100 ft. chain connected to 100 foot of new line.</p>
<p>You will need to come up with a snubber to take the shock loads off the chain and windlass. (that is another discussion that is well handled by a recent practical sailor article)</p>
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<p>p.s. you will love the Rocna, we call ours the One Stick Bitc%$#. It has never drug on us.</p>